The mechanism
Two hundred invented accounts, traded on a coin flip, and what the manager collects
With each month a 20% win or a 20% loss on the toss of a coin, 188 of 200 invented accounts finish two years below the 1,000 units paid in, and 150 lose more than half. The middle account ends at 331. The manager, who takes 30% of every winning month and returns nothing in a losing one, collects 484 per account on average.
200 invented accounts over 24 months; 24 of them are drawn. The “trading” is a coin flip with no skill in it, which is the honest assumption about a stranger with no record that can be checked. The arrangement pays the manager for taking risk with somebody else’s money: the bigger the swings, the bigger the fees.
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How it works, step by step
- A “trader” with an impressive record, shown in screenshots, offers to manage your account. You keep the account in your name; they only need the password.
- The terms sound fair: they take a share of the profit, often 30% to 50%, and nothing if there is none.
- They trade with large positions. A good week arrives, their share is paid, and you are encouraged to add money.
- A bad week arrives, as it must. The loss is entirely yours. There is no refund of earlier fees.
- You are told that a further deposit is needed to “recover”. Or the manager disappears.
- In the plainest version there is no trading at all: the password is used to withdraw the balance or to change the account’s details.
Why it is convincing
- “You keep control, the account stays in your name” sounds like safety. A password is control.
- “No profit, no fee” sounds like shared risk. It is the opposite: the manager shares in gains only.
- The record shown is a selection: one good account among many, or an image that has been edited.
- The first weeks may really be profitable. High risk produces spectacular gains about as often as spectacular losses.
The warning signs
- A stranger, or an online acquaintance, asking for the password to a trading account, or for remote access.
- A share of profits with no share of losses and no way to hold the manager to account.
- No authorisation: in most countries, managing other people’s money for pay requires a licence, and a licensed manager can be found on a register.
- A record that cannot be verified independently and in full.
- A request that the fee be paid separately, in crypto-assets or to a private account.
One sign alone proves nothing, and a fraud may show none of them at first. The Check this offer list puts fourteen such questions side by side.
If it has happened
- Change the account’s password at once and tell the firm that holds the account that someone else has had access to it. If the same password is used anywhere else, change it there too.
- Stop paying. Send nothing more, whatever the reason given: a tax, a fee, a deposit to “unlock” the account, a charge to recover what was lost. A further payment is the usual next step of the fraud.
- Stop the conversation. There is no need to explain, argue or warn. Do not delete it, either: it is a record.
- Keep records. Messages, names and numbers used, the addresses of websites, payment receipts, account and wallet details, screenshots of anything that might disappear. Note the dates.
- Tell your bank or payment provider at once. Use a number you find yourself, on a card or a statement, not one from a message. Say it is fraud. Time matters, and they will say what they can and cannot do.
- Report it to the authority in your country. That is usually the police or a national fraud-reporting service, and the financial regulator. A report helps others even where it does not help you.
- Secure what was shared. Change passwords that were given out or reused, remove any remote-access software that was installed, and tell the provider of any account or card whose details were passed on.
- Expect a second approach. People who have lost money are contacted again, by “recovery agents”, “lawyers” and “officials” who ask for a fee first. See the page on recovery-room fraud.
- Tell someone you trust. These frauds are built by people who do it for a living, and they work on careful, intelligent people. Silence helps only the fraudster.
Nobody can promise that money lost to fraud will come back. Sometimes some of it does; often it does not. Anyone who guarantees a recovery, or asks to be paid first, is describing another fraud.
Regulators publish free warning lists and registers of authorised firms; this site lists several under Nice & Need: stay safe. To check an address that claims to be this site, use Verify a GIO4X link.
Questions people ask
- Is it safe to let someone trade my account if it stays in my name?
- The name on the account decides who bears the losses. The password decides who can act. Handing over the second while keeping the first leaves all of the risk with the account holder.
- Is a profit-share arrangement fair if I pay nothing on a loss?
- It gives the manager a share in every gain and no part in any loss, so the manager is better off the more risk is taken with your money. Regulated managers also charge performance fees, but under rules, with a contract, and with a regulator to complain to.
- Are managed accounts and copy trading always scams?
- No. Authorised firms offer both, under rules about who may manage money and what must be disclosed. The fraud is the unlicensed stranger, the handed-over password and the record that cannot be checked.
A description of a type of fraud, for study. It names no real firm, person, website or product and retells no real case. It is general information, not legal advice, and not a judgement on any offer you may have received. What applies in your country is a question for the authorities there.
